Walmart Thanksgiving Pay: Sounds Good, But…

Like most of the major retailers, Walmart now starts Black Friday on Thanksgiving. But how it pays people to work during one of the most hectic sales days of the year, on a family holiday — that’s a little different.

Target, Sears, Kmart, J.C. Penney and Toys R Us all pay workers time and a half for working holidays, CNNMoney says. Not Walmart:

Walmart gives employees a regular hourly wage plus additional pay for working the Thanksgiving holiday. The additional pay is equal to the average daily wage in the two weeks leading up to the holiday.

An extra day’s pay on top of regular wages? That sounds great — like double pay. Except Walmart tends to reduce hours during that two-week period, employees told CNNMoney. So let’s compare.

A Target associate who normally makes $10 an hour would make $15 an hour on Thanksgiving, regardless of whether she worked at all in the past two weeks. An eight-hour shift would produce $120.

A Walmart associate who normally makes $10 an hour would make $10 an hour on Thanksgiving, and get bonus pay based on her recent hours. If she’d been cut back to 34 hours a week leading up to the holiday — the minimum Walmart considers full-time — and got a similarly reduced six-hour shift, that would produce $128.

That’s pretty close, despite all the extra variables. But Walmart can easily reduce hours more than that around the holidays, resulting in lower holiday pay. It planned months ago to hire 55,000 temporary employees for the season, 10 percent more than last year.

Walmart associate Barbara Gertz told CNNMoney some associates in her store had their hours cut nearly in half, from 40 per week to 24, in the weeks after Thanksgiving. “Your paycheck either equals the same amount or it ends up being less,” she says.

On the bright side, CNNMoney says the company offers a holiday meal and 25 percent discount on an entire purchase to Thanksgiving workers — if they can afford anything.

Do you think Walmart’s holiday pay structure is fair, or should it pay the same way as everybody else? Comment below or on our Facebook page.

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  • Al Seaver

    You can bet that, despite what Wally World says, this only benefits Wally World and not the workers.

  • nitemare2

    Again you use CNNs “employees told us” for your “facts” did you or CNN do any in-depth investigation or just ask a few disgruntled union wanting employees or maybe not even employees? The weeks before are some of the busiest times in Wal-Mart they are putting up displays and over stocking as well as people doing more shopping for the Holidays. Your liberal union driven articles are shameful. You hate Wal-Mart it shows. The unions should not be allowed to pay people to protest as they do all the time and want the public to believe they are real employees. Don’t tell me they don’t because I was a union member for 20 years and was offered money to protest at a plant I didn’t work at several times.

    • Juan Lopez

      “Your liberal union driven articles are shameful.” That is what created the US middle class unlike pro-business conservative which destroyed the middle class.

      • nitemare2

        Right Juan back in the 50s and 60s this is 2013 and please remember what it was run by the MOB and was known and still is known for it’s mob tactics which include violence and extortion and lies. You want to tell me why 3 of my former Union Presidents are either in jail or were in jail for extortion and embezzling Union funds or the fact they used mob tactics during the Town hall meetings during the Obamacare fight to stop anyone with opposing comments from speaking and it’s all caught on tape as well as the letter from Trumpka telling members to do what ever necessary to stop them. How about the union wanting to do away with secret ballots for union representation votes. The Unions are thugs and not needed anymore. If enough people will not work for any company they either go out of business or they pay better wages. But remember you have to have the ability, education and be willing to work and not be like most union jobs where they have to have 3 people to do 1 persons job. As I said I was a teamster member for 20 years so I saw all the tricks and heard all the BS.

        • Juan Lopez

          “Right Juan back in the 50s and 60s this is 2013 and please remember what it was run by the MOB and was known and still is known for it’s mob tactics which include violence and extortion and lies.” It is great to know you shot yourself in the foot as they would just overthrow the union leaders & become it. They would rob the pensions of the unions & before the unions the USA look liked 3rd world nation. By the 60s they would slowly leave as they where corrupt. You can look at places where big business does as will & looks like 3rd world nation aka Colombia. PS Union leaders are removed by big business. I’ll let you guess what that means.

          “You want to tell me why 3 of my former Union Presidents are either in jail or were in jail for extortion and embezzling Union funds or the fact they used mob tactics during the Town hall meetings during the Obamacare fight to stop anyone with opposing comments from speaking and it’s all caught on tape as well as the letter from Trumpka telling members to do what ever necessary to stop them.” How is that bad thing as like when the government outlawed trans fat as if some one commits crime they should go to jail as but for some reason the capitalist class need to also go to jail.

          “The Unions are thugs and not needed anymore. If enough people will not work for any company they either go out of business or they pay better wages.”

          1) You mean big-business thugs as unions have little power in the USA unlike the counterparts in Germany who make much more money then the American & even work less. They socialism as good thing. You are so ignorant as 1st of all that never happens as at least 50% of small business go bust & 2nd that only type your statement was ever true was post-black plaque when 30% of Europe’s population collapsed so it was easily done not to work for a company.

          “But remember you have to have the ability, education and be willing to work and not be like most union jobs where they have to have 3 people to do 1 persons job.”
          Did you know you have money to be educated to get the funding so your statement was really ignorant. If they had money for education that person would not the education in 1st place. Please tell me what you do with the 2/3 of the other people who be fired as your idea is summed up as “go fuck yourself” while socialism which superior then fascist capitalism as less hour for everyone with almost the same pay like Mondragon in Basque (origin) or Germany free education to change jobs.

          “As I said I was a teamster member for 20 years so I saw all the tricks and heard all the BS.”
          If hated the unions so much get a job that was not unionized. They are known to pay less.

          • nitemare2

            Juan your rant makes no sense same as most socialist rants.
            What Union leaders have you ever seen “overthrown?” And when have they ever been removed by any business? Usually it is the other ways around businesses are forced to close by the unions. I worked for several trucking companies who closed because of union demands. Ford Motor Co. in Mahwah NJ was closed because of the union. Ask those 5000 workers if it was the company or the union.

            “Unions have little power in the USA” really what rock are you living under. They have a great deal of power for such a small amount of people. They have Obama and the NRLB as their puppets for starters, they have the majority of the teachers as members who strike for any reason they
            can. The police and the emergency responders are all union employees as are a large number of transportation and other service jobs. Most power companies and a great number of construction workers. They all strike whenever they get a chance whether they deserve a raise or not. That’s right DESERVE you don’t deserve a raisefor just being alive as many union employees and leaders think. Socialistthinking right, you breathe so you deserve someone to pay you.

            “At least 50% of small businesses go bust”, that’s right and why is that Mr. Expert? Because they either don’t have something someone wants or they have no knowledge of how to run a business. Than you have the type of business that the President likes to invest taxpayer money in like Solyndra who pay high wages for a product that can be bought from another company for less money. Wasted taxpayer money and the only ones who made out were the democrats who received election donations and the company executives.

            “Did you know you have money to be educated to get the funding so your statement was really ignorant?” What did you just try to say? What you haven’t heard ofpublic education? Or the fact that many states are now giving illegals free education in Community colleges and tech schools. California is giving scholarships to the poor illegals for 4 year degrees. Oh wait you want free college for all, another socialist idea. Someone else pays right. And you seem to think its ok to pay
            someone for not working?

            I did go to work for a non-union company and stayed until I retired and you know what I had a new and better equipped truck every 3 years,never had one as a union driver, had the same wages as the union company drivers, had better benefits and vacation and when the Teamsters tried to get
            the drivers to go union we laughed and told them to give us 1 reason and they couldn’t. I had a couple 1. I could go to the boss and ask for a raise and did without having to wait until the union decided when and what I should get. And the biggest thing I didn’t have to pay union dues so some union stooge got paid for just being a union stooge. Oh 1 thing more my money went to the election campaign of who I wanted not who the union wanted.

            Now I have a question for you if you like socialism so much why did you leave Columbia and come here? As all illegals seem to do you come here and try to change America into the country you came from WHY? If you like socialism so much go to a country that is already Socialist.

          • Juan Lopez

            I could your capitalist rant does not make sense as calling the trade unions as thugs & now you just created infinite loophole. Capitalism suck & you proof it.

            “What Union leaders have you ever seen “overthrown?” And when have they ever been removed by any business? Usually it is the other ways around businesses are forced to close by the unions. I worked for several trucking companies who closed because of union demands. Ford Motor Co. in Mahwah NJ was closed because of the union. Ask those 5000 workers if it was the company or the union.” that is nonsense as that is no bases fact as quoting North Jersey “Mahwah’s massive Ford Motor Co. assembly plant closed 30 years ago, in the summer of 1980, a martyr to changing tastes and a slack economy” as nothing to do with unions but great scapegoat to protect you capitalist ideology. This regular thing that happens to capitalism all the time. PS Socialist Germany make better cars than capitalist

            “Unions have little power in the USA” really what rock are you living under. They have a great deal of power for such a small amount of people. They have Obama and the NRLB as their puppets for starters, they have the majority of the teachers as members who strike for any reason they can.”

            You are stupid as fuck as NRLB has become useless since the Reagan & had some importance in the 1990s. If company feels like it can just declare bankrupcy & end the union benefits. This is not 1950s to 1970s when the labor unions had power unlike their counterparts in Europe which actually have power by law as in Germany 1/2 of decession are made by unions if they have more than 2k employess aka Mitbestimmungsgesetz. The economic thinking of the USA has gone far to the right wing that if unions can strike without the government beating the shit out of them it is consider left-wing.

            “At least 50% of small businesses go bust”, that’s right and why is that Mr. Expert? Because they either don’t have something someone wants or they have no knowledge of how to run a business. Than you have the type of business that the President likes to invest taxpayer money in like Solyndra who pay high wages for a product that can be bought from another company for less money.”

            1) Solyndra started under the Bush Admin. PS shoot yourself in the foot at least not in the head.

            2) Get of the interent as that was creating of the state & matter of fact get out of the country as most of the product where made from the government.

            3) If want to see one successful company look at google whcih was funded by the NSF.

            4) So you just shot yourself in the foot again as that is stupid go tell people go create a business.

            5) “product that can be bought from another company for less money” That is solved in capitalist mode of production with monoploy.

            “I did go to work for a non-union company and stayed until I retired and you know what I had a new and better equipped truck every 3 years,never had one as a union driver, had the same wages as the union company drivers, had better benefits and vacation and when the Teamsters tried to get
            the drivers to go union we laughed and told them to give us 1 reason and they couldn’t.”

            This could be called lying with hard facts & even if that was true what unions did was force it through out the entire economy until advent of Reagan Admin as without the unions they can have a race to the bottom. You can see this modern example of Denmark.

            “Now I have a question for you if you like socialism so much why did you leave Columbia and come here? As all illegals seem to do you come here and try to change America into the country you came from WHY? If you like socialism so much go to a country that is already Socialist.”

            1) Colombia is socialist? I guess when you have the US back corporations shooting union leaders is now consider socialist. It is runned by center-right party. Conservatives are extremely ignorant people and lack knowledge of economic, world politics & arithmetic. PS even lack US political knowledge.

            2) It is great to know that your scapegoating as if it is not illegals it the Jews, the right-wing always has someone scapegoat for their idioitc nationalist & aristocratic idoleogy.

            “Or the fact that many states are now giving illegals free education in Community colleges and tech schools. California is giving scholarships to the poor illegals for 4 year degrees. Oh wait you want free college for all, another socialist idea. Someone else pays right. And you seem to think its ok to pay
            someone for not working?”

            “Since 2001, California law has extended in-state tuition rates to illegal immigrants as long as they have attended a California high school for at least three years, earned a high school diploma or GED and have proof that they are working to obtain citizenship.”

            “And you seem to think its ok to pay someone for not working?” That is called Mitt Romney unless you consider making money of money working.

          • nitemare2

            “North Jersey “Mahwah’s massive Ford Motor Co. assembly
            plant closed 30 years ago, in the summer of 1980, a martyr to changing tastes
            and a slack economy” That is not true the reason the plant closed was the
            poor quality of the work by the union employees. The president of Ford had a
            meeting with ALL the employees and gave them 1 year to bring the quality up
            from the lowest in the Ford Company or they would close the plant. The union
            leaders then held a meeting where they told the members to forget what the
            President said as they would never close the plant. They did not change their
            work habits and 1 year later the company came back and closed the plant. Of
            course you will say something unintelligible and call me a liar or some other
            typical socialist why of not facing the truth. But my brother in law was there.
            Just google Mahwah ford plant closed
            because of poor quality and not the liberal union BS.

            “You are stupid as fuck as NRLB has become useless since the
            Reagan & had some importance in the 1990s.” Do you even read anything
            before you say something? Fact the NRLB is now stronger than ever as Obama has
            filled it with his cronies. They have taken Boeing to court several times they have
            taken more companies to court than ever before in history. And if they were
            gutted by Reagan (81-89) how did they any importance in the 90s? You are wrong
            and proving it.

            “If company feels like it can just declare bankrupcy &
            end the union benefits.” No they can’t that is against the law. So you again to
            use your metaphor shoot yourself in the head.

            “Solyndra started under the Bush Admin.” The Energy Policy
            Act of 2005, signed into law by Bush, under section 1703 of Title XVII,
            included loan guarantee funding to promote innovative clean energy
            technologies. Solyndra had applied for a loan under 1703, but no loans were
            made by the time Bush left office. VP Biden’s
            own words, Solyndras loans came from the stimulus law — not the Bush-era law.
            Bang again.

            “3) If want to see one successful company look at google which
            was funded by the NSF.” So what the hell does that have to do with Wal-Mart,
            Google is not a union company????? And they produced something people wanted. Again you lose.

            I never said Columbia
            was socialist, I asked why you came here and not to a socialist country if you
            liked socialism so much.

            “That is called Mitt Romney unless you consider making money
            of money working.” Did you mean making money off money? As compared to what, he
            has a mind for business you have a mind for taking what you didn’t work for and what
            does not belong to you. As I said before if you want socialism go to a
            socialist country or are their immigration laws to strict on illegals!!!!!

  • Common Sense

    As long as they are being paid nothing less than a legal minimum wage. If you are unhappy with your job or the pay that you earn do something to change it. Go to school, learn a trade, create your own business. Nobody owes anyone anything.

    • Juan Lopez

      “Go to school, learn a trade, create your own business. Nobody owes anyone anything.”
      What a great advice how to create a wonderful 3rd world nation & 2nd this comment is nothing with common sense.

      • Malcom Treadway

        Huh? Thank you Juan. As I interpret your post, you have exhibited why Zach and Common Sense make sense.

  • karik

    Speaking as a former employee of Walmart, it is a deplorable place to both work and shop. I’m a firm believer that staff can only be as good as management….

  • Nan

    There is nothing “fair” about the WalMart organization. Thus, I do not shop there. Ever.

  • Medicine-is-My-Game

    I’m not biased at all regarding Walmart or Thanksgiving, but a few things caught my attention. First, CNN is historically not unbiased. Second, why would an employee very publicly bad-mouth her employer? It’s senseless. Apparently Barbara Gertz has rock-solid job security. And third, what has Walmart said about this? If these people hate their jobs so much they need to do something about it. Walmart exists to make money. They don’t owe anyone happiness, they need to find their own. A lot of people dislike Walmart because of benefits, pay, etc., yet they continue to grow. If you don’t like them, don’t support them. I really like this site but I question if there is an agenda here.

  • drewzer15

    So according to your own words (and your math IS correct), Target would pay its employee $120 for an 8 hour shift and Walmart would pay $128 for a 6 hour shift. So Walmart isn’t paying time and a half, they ARE paying double-time. $128/6hours = $21.33 per hour.

  • Nadia Bryant

    i do not like walmart at all…. not only do they come up with these ideas that only “sound” good, they are putting a lot of smaller businesses out of business. The qulaity isn’t the greatest, many employees are not happy and we are losing the quality of good old family run businesses. You cannot have a business that does “everything” and actually be good at it all… i think walmart works similarly to the government lol “cut, cut, short-cut!” and “more for me!” regular old capitalism